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Anthony

Those who consider it to be one teaching among many then are not Catholic. The word means universal; all encompassing, it stands alone not beside a bunch of others like cereal boxes in the breakfast food aisle.

What you describe is called relativism, the embrace of all beliefs as having equal weight and merit. Both the Church and history itself stand as bearers of truth to the falsehood of relativism and the destruction it leads to. Relativism is a disease. Once injected into one aspect of the host it infects all other parts until the body dies.

Pray for the conversion of the ignorant to Truth.

Mark

I do not know anyone who believes that the Catholic Church is "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tm 3:15) who voted for the pres. elect, but I do know many who consider the Church's teaching only one opinion from among many to choose, who did.

Pray for the conversion of Catholics to Catholicism.

marquessa

Almost everything has been tried before and found wanting. But McCain is just as easy to target if we are picking and choosing votes and comments. It is really easy to make anyone look bad if you use only a few votes here and there or think about half of the story, a la Fox. I'll prove it.

McCain Voted Against Funding for After-
School Programs. McCain voted against additional funding for after-school programs under the Elementary
and Secondary Education Act of 1965. (S.Amdt. 1609 to
S.Amdt. 1542 to H.R. 2660, Vote 340, 9/10/03)
McCain Voted Against Funding for Head
Start. McCain has voted repeatedly against funding for Head Start programs, as recently as 2005. In 2003, McCain voted against increasing spending on Head Start
programs by $24 billion and on after-school programs by $18 billion over 10 years. That year, he also voted against a Democratic effort to add $350 million to Head Start,
the federal program for poor preschool children.
McCain Voted Against School Repairs and
Construction. McCain voted against $1.6 billion in school construction funding to repair the most dilapidated
school buildings. (S. 1, Vote 108, 5/16/01)
McCain Opposed Efforts to Increase Funding
for Special Education and Education and
Health Programs. McCain voted against allowing an amendment to increase funding for special education and against $7.1 billion for education and health programs.
(S.Amdt. 2292 to H.R. 3010, Vote

See?? What it boils down to is that the majority of people in this country - Catholic or not - decided the better ideas came from Obama and I will stand firm in the assessment that they were thinking of the children already here in this country and on this planet.
Oh yeah - and then there's this =
McCain is morally opposed to abortion but agrees with safe, discrete abortions as an alternative to more dangerous procedures. McCain has said he would like to see the abortion rate drop to 0, but "wants to do it through education and cultural awareness rather than legislative or judicial format."

Politicians say anything to get elected, depending on who is listening.

Anthony

What kind of education? What about homeschooling, something Obama is opposed to? What about school vouchers so that parents have the ability to put their kids in private schools because the public school system, (which Obama won't even put his own children into), is broken?

What kind of health care? Socialized medicine where choice is taken away from the individual? Forced vaccinations based on what the government wants regardless of individual beliefs?

His agenda calls for more government policy and less individual freedom, this has been tried before and found wanting.

marquessa

Perhaps the Catholics who voted for Obama were thinking of the children they already have and the fact that his agenda calls for making sure they can get schooling and health care when they otherwise might not. Just a thought.

Colleen

Excellent, Andy.
I was appalled when I signed into Facebook on Tuesday and saw that my sister had her status message set in support of Obama. She is a practicing Catholic, we are her daughter's godparents. I was just shocked and hurt. She doesn't follow politics at all, so I have a feeling that she was influenced by her in-laws, who are very liberal, but she had to know what she was doing and what Obama stands for.
Anyway, I was surprised at the number of Catholics who openly and vocally admitted voting for Obama. It makes me very sad and scared for the future of our country.

Gecko

As I said, look at certain voting blocks, the most obvious one are the Mexican/Hispanic voters of the West. In places like New Mexico and California, they are a traditional Democratic voting block. I'm sure many of the figures we are hearing of the number of Catholics who voted for Obama is skewed by this figure. It's unfortunate, I once worked for a Treasure of the Democratic party of a state and he was Hispanic. This was about 15 years ago. He also did the bookkeeping for the nearby Catholic church. It may have been a contradiction to vote Democratic even in those days. This is a dilemma these peoples need to examine. Likewise, there are a number of Hispanics who are pro-life I know of as well.

I don't know how the Church can deal with this, if there is a penance to serve. I'm no judge as to know whether they even belong in the Church for voting for Obama.

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